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The End-of-Life University Interview Series is now a weekly Podcast!

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LISTEN NOW: Practices to Prepare for the End of Life with Patt Lind-Kyle

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on December 13, 2018 at 3:15 PM

Learn how meditation practice can help decrease the fear of death and prepare you for a peaceful end of life.

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My guest Patt LInd-Kyle is an authority on mindulness meditation, chakras, and the Enneagram who will share practices for addressing the fear of death. She is the author of Embracing the End of Life: A Journey into Dying and Awakening, which is an excellent resource for preparing for the end of life.


In this interview you will learn:

  • Why it is important to face the fear of death
  • The benefits of meditation for confronting the end of life
  • How to start a meditation practice
  • How to let go of the need to control death 
  • How facing death helps us live life more fully

Patt Lind-Kyle is an author of 4 science and spirituality books including her latest Embracing the End of Life, A Journey into Dying and Awakening and Heal Your Mind, Rewire Your Brain. Patt is also a thought leader on how the mind and brain work together to arrive at a sense of who we are.

For decades, Patt has been exploring multiple aspects of life and death. She has studied the dying process in preparation for her own death. Patt has become a leading authority on death and dying consciously. In her latest book Embracing the End of Life, Patt provides practical wisdom on the dying process as well as a step-by-step program on how you can wake up to a place of freedom and enhance the meaning in your life.  An authority on chakras, the Enneagram, and mindfulness meditation, Patt has produced a series of guided meditations to accompany her Embracing the End of Life and Heal Your Mind, Rewire Your Brain books. Binaural beats for the four brain wave frequencies are integrated in to the guided meditations.

LISTEN NOW: Care of the Body After Death with Olivia Bareham and Music Thanatology with Catharine DeLong

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on December 3, 2018 at 4:45 AM

Learn about the work of two faculty members from the Art of Dying Institute's Integrative Thanatology Certificate Program.

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Olivia Bareham is a certified Death Midwife, Home Funeral Guide and Celebrant who recently an alternative funeral home owned and operated entirely by death midwives offering natural, sacred alternatives to traditional funeral home practices.

You will learn:

  • Why it's important for us to know how to care for loved ones after death
  • The necessary steps of after-death care
  • The benefits of a home funeral
  • How to conduct a 3-day home vigil after a death
  • How this workshop fits into the curriculum for the Integrative Thanatology Certificate Program

Olivia's Website:

Learn more about the Integrative Thanatology Certificate Program at the NY Open Center:

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Catharine DeLong is a Contemplative and Music Thanatologist in New York City where she performs bedside music vigils for patients in hospice as well as late-stage breast cancer patients. She is the current facilitator and a faculty member for the Integrative Thanatology Certificate of the New York Open Center's Art of Dying Institute.

You will learn:
  • What is “music thanatology”
  • The benefits of music thanatology for dying patients and their loved ones
  • How to use music in end-of-life situations when a music thanatologist is not available
  • The structure of the Integrative Thanatology Certificate Program offered by the Art of Dying Institute at the New York Open Center
  • Who the certificate program is for
  • Faculty members who will be teaching in 2019

Catharine's website:

LISTEN NOW: Coping with Pet Loss Grief with Wendy Van de Poll

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on November 22, 2018 at 3:00 PM

Learn why we should take grief over the death of pets seriously and how to support those who have experienced pet loss.

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My guest Wendy Van de Poll is a pioneering leader in the field of pet loss grief support and an international best-selling author and speaker. She discusses why we need to take grief over pet death seriously and how to cope when a pet is dying.


In this interview you will learn:

  • Why it's important to create an end-of-life plan for pets
  • What a pet's end-of-life plan should include
  • How to make the dying process easier for a pet
  • Common myths surrounding grief after the death of a pet
  • Advice for those experiencing pet loss grief
  • How to support a loved one dealing with grief over the death of a pet
  • Suggestions for helping a child cope with pet loss grief

Wendy Van de Poll is dedicated to providing a safe place for her clients to express their grief over the loss of their pets.

Her passion is to help people when they are grieving over the loss of a pet and her larger than life love for animals has led her to devote her life to the mission of increasing the quality of life between animals and people no matter what stage they are in their cycle of life! She has been called the animal whisperer.

She is a Certified End of Life and Pet Grief Support Coach, Certified Pet Funeral Celebrant, Animal Medium and Communicator. She is the founder of The Center for Pet Loss Grief and an international best selling and award-winning author and speaker.

She holds a Master’s of Science degree in Wolf Ecology and Behavior and has run with wild wolves in Minnesota, coyotes in Massachusetts and foxes in her backyard. She lives in the woods with her husband, two crazy birds, her rescue dog Addie and all kinds of wildlife.


LISTEN NOW: Teaching Children About Death and Grief with Joe Primo

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on November 9, 2018 at 2:10 AM

Learn how to talk to children about death and support them through their grief.

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My guest Joe Primo is the CEO of Good Grief, a non-profit organization for children, teens and children who are grieving. He'll discuss how to help children who are facing grief and offer resources to support families dealing with death.

In this interview you will learn:

  • How Joe's personal experience inspired him to do this work
  • Why "Grief is Good"
  • What our society gets wrong about children and grief
  • How grief changes at various stages of development
  • How to talk to children about death
  • Why children should be included in funerals

As CEO, Joe Primo is an ambassador for Good Grief throughout New Jersey, and a passionate advocate for changing the conversation on grief and bereavement. Joe is the author of What Do We Tell the Children?: Talking to Kids About Death and Dying and At the End of Life: True Stories About How We Die. Joe is the Immediate-Past President of the National Alliance for Grieving Children, where he has been on the Board of Directors since 2010. He is a graduate of Yale University, where he studied ethics and end of life counseling.

New Voices in Death Education

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on November 6, 2018 at 6:50 PM


In this series of brief webinars 5 teachers of death and dying classes share excerpts from their courses with us. We hope you will be inspired to create your own community class based on your knowledge, experience and passion for the end of life!

This series includes:

  • Cynthia Buckley, soul midwife and end-of-life guide, teaches about the profound beauty of sitting in vigil with the dying
  • Malynda Cress, hypnotherapist, hospice volunteer and companion for the dying, discusses her work with the unresponsive dying and how we can best support them during their final days
  • Susan Oppie RN, end-of-life nurse and co-founder of One Washcloth, shares the importance of restoring deathbed rituals in medical settings to help with grief and loss
  • Dee Dee Turpin, facilitator in end-of-life care, describes the transformative 3-step process she uses to guide people to greater death awareness and serenity throughout the end of life
  • Carolyn Van Ness, nurse practitioner and end-of-life doula, discusses the benefits we experience when we honor the entire cycle of life and face our mortality directly

CLICK HERE to view the webinars!

LISTEN NOW: Death Over Dinner with Michael Hebb

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on October 18, 2018 at 3:30 PM

Learn about this innovative movement to encourage conversations about death while breaking bread together.

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My guest Michael Hebb is the founder of Death Over Dinner, an organization that supports people to host dinner parties for the purpose of talking about death. According to Death Over Dinner, which is now a part of the RoundGlass family of initiatives,  "The dinner table is the most forgiving place for difficult conversation" and they'll teach you how to host your own dinner party.


In this interview you will learn:

  • The inspiration behind Death Over Dinner
  • How the organization tracked over 500 dinners in 20 countries on a single night
  • Why the dinner table is a perfect location for important conversations
  • How to host a Death Over Dinner event
  • The support you'll receive if you sign up as a dinner host on the DOD website
  • About Michael's new book: Let's Talk About Death

For the past 20 years Michael Hebb has been following the mandate: my client is civilization. His projects have turned into international movements and impacted millions. His second book "Let's Talk About Death" published by Hachette/Da Capo will be available in the U.S., U.K., and Australia in October of 2018. Michael recently became a Partner at RoundGlass to further expand his efforts to impact global well being.

Michael is the Founder of,,, and The Living Wake. He currently serves as a Board Advisor at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts; and in the recent past as Senior Advisor to Summit Series, Theo Chocolate, Learnist, Caffe Vita, CreativeLive, Architecture For Humanity, ONETASTE and Mosaic Voices Foundation .

In 1997 Hebb co-founded City Repair and Communitecture with architect Mark Lakeman, winning the AIA People's Choice Award for the Intersection Repair Project. In 1999 Michael and Naomi Pomeroy co-founded Family Supper in Portland, a supper club that is credited with starting the pop-up restaurant movement. In the years following they opened the restaurants clarklewis and Gotham Bldg Tavern, garnering international acclaim.

After leaving Portland, Hebb built Convivium/One Pot, a creative agency that specialized in the ability to shift culture through the use of thoughtful food and discourse based gatherings. Convivium's client list includes: The Obama Foundation, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, TEDMED, The World Economic Forum, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Clinton Global Initiative, X Prize Foundation, The Nature Conservancy.

Michael is the founding Creative Director of The City Arts Festival, the founder of Night School @ The Sorrento Hotel, the founder of and the founding Creative Director at the Cloud Room. He served as a Teaching Fellow at the Graduate School of Communication at University of Washington. His writings have appeared in GQ, Food and Wine, Food Arts, ARCADE, Seattle Magazine and City Arts. Michael can often be found speaking at universities and conferences.

Get Michael's book here.


LISTEN NOW: Caregiving in the 21st Century: Tips and Tools with Jane Barton

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on October 4, 2018 at 3:10 PM

Learn how a proactive approach can help ease the future caregiver shortage.

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My guest Jane Barton serves as the Caregiving Ambassador for AARP Colorado and has a long history of service as a chaplain, bereavement facilitator and director of education for hospice organizations. She will share important information about the coming caregiver shortage and how to navigate as a caregiver for those we love.

In this interview you will learn:

  • How serious the caregiver shortage might be in the future
  • How to be proactive as we plan for our own later life situations
  • Collaborative models of caregiving
  • How to overcome caregiver resistance to receiving help
  • Tools and resources for caregivers


    Jane Barton will present a free webinar on "Bridge Time: Coping with the Consequences of Change" on Tuesday October 30th. 

    Learn more and register at this link: Jane Barton Webinar.

Jane W. Barton, author of Caregiving for the GENIUS, is a passionate national speaker, writer, and listener. As the founder of Cardinal, LLC, she provides educational programs, books, videos, podcasts, and blogs to assist people in confronting the daunting challenges posed by aging, serious illness, and the end of life. Jane is well versed in the areas of grief and bereavement, caregiving, hospice and palliative care, change and transition, and spirituality and health. She presents innovative, transformational programs to community members, healthcare providers, pastoral caregivers, clergy, funeral service providers, and national audiences.

As the Caregiving Ambassador for AARP Colorado she offers educational programs for personal and professional caregivers throughout the state of Colorado. Previously, Jane served as Director of Education for a hospice and palliative care educational institution in Denver, Colorado. She has also served as a chaplain and bereavement facilitator in hospice and palliative care. Jane is a certified Spiritual Director as well as a Certified Senior Advisor. In a former life, she worked as a financial services representative and an exploration petroleum geologist and manager.

LISTEN NOW: Death in the Hospital: The Medical Pause with Jonathan Bartels

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on September 20, 2018 at 3:00 PM

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My guest Jonathan Bartels is a registered nurse with over 29 years of experience in healthcare including trauma/emergency care, oncology and palliative care. He will share with us how he created the idea of the Medical Pause while working in the emergency room in order to bring more compassion and presence to the experience of death in the hospital.

In this interview you will learn: 

  • How Jonathan was inspired to stand up and ask the ER team to pause after a death
  • What is a Medical Pause
  • How and when to initiate a Pause
  • The benefits to the hospital staff of implementing the Pause
  • How this practice has spread to hospitals around the world
  • Tips for inspiring change in the medical paradigm around death and dying

Jonathan Bartels has had training in comtemplative practices including philosophy, mysticism and psychology, in addition to his training as a registered nurse. He is passionate about promoting resilience in health care and co-facilitates retreats and leads weekiy meditation sessions at the University of Virginia Nursing School. He has done presentations on topics such as non-pharmacologic pain management, compassion, resiliency in healthcare, breaking difficult news as a first responder, and palliative care. He currently serves as a palliative care nurse liaison. 

In 2017 Jonathan was 1 of 6 finalists in the entire nation for the Schwartz Center Award for Compassionate Care Providers. He also received the American Association of Critical Care Nurses Pioneering Spirit Award in 2018. His work has been featured in Critical Care Nurse Journal, Virginia Magazine, NPR, WebMD, ACP Hospitalist, and Journal of Emergency Nursing, among others. 

LISTEN NOW: End-of-LIfe Issues and the LGBTQ Community with Cheryl Jones

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on September 6, 2018 at 3:00 PM

Learn about the unique issues that face members of the LBGTQ community as they reach the end of life.

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My guest Cheryl Jones is a grief counselor, host of the Good Grief Radio Show on VoiceAmerica, and the author of the newly-released novel An Ocean Between Them. We will discuss the challenges that LGBTQ people experience in receiving care at the end of life and ways to make our organizations and facilities more inclusive.


In this interview you will learn:

  • Why members of the LGBTQ community access less healthcare than the general population
  • Obstacles faced by LGBTQ individuals in receiving care in residential facilities, hospices, hospitals
  • Why a durable medical power of attorney is an essential document for all LGBTQ individuals
  • How the organization SAGE advocates for LGBTQ seniors
  • How to find common ground in end-of-life care even when we don't agree on lifestyle choices
  • About post-traumatic growth and why it's important to foster
  • Ways to create an LGBTQ-supportive environment in your organization or business
  • About Cheryl's novel that addresses the challenges of LGBTQ relationships with family at the end of life

Cheryl Jones is the host of the radio show Good Grief. She is also a grief counselor and cancer educator. During her education as a Marriage and Family Therapist, her first wife was diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma, which was at the time a uniformly terminal illness with a six month to one year prognosis. In the eight + years that followed, Cheryl engaged daily in the work of preparing for her death. She received training during this period from Stephen and Ondrea Levine (Who Dies and Grieving Into Life and Death) and Richard Olney (founder of Self-Acceptance Training). After her wife’s death, Cheryl immersed herself in her own multifaceted grief, surprised by frequent moments of joy.

Cheryl is a consultant and group leader at the Free Therapy Program of the Women’s Cancer Resource Center, where she developed, manages and teachies in their Continuing Education program. She has trained extensively with Erving Polster, leader in the field of gestalt therapy and author of Everybody’s Life is worth a Novel. She was Clinical Director at the Alternative Family Project, which served the therapeutic needs of LGBTQ families in San Francisco. Finally she is the author of the recently published novel: An Ocean Between Them.

Get the book here.


LISTEN NOW: Contemplative End-of-Life Care for Healthcare Professionals with Kirsten DeLeo

Posted by Karen M. Wyatt on August 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM

Learn how to develop authentic presence in care of the dying to benefit both patients and providers.

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*(As a NEW feature on End-of-Life University you can listen any time to this interview.

You no longer have to tune in at a scheduled time or wait for the replay to arrive by email!

Just click on the link above and start listening - NOW or LATER.)

My guest Kirsten DeLeo will share how she teaches healthcare providers the art of presence so that they can work more effectively with patients at the end of life and avoid experiencing burnout. The "Authentic Presence" training she coordinates through the Spiritual Care Program offers continuing ed credits to students and includes an 8-day immersion retreat.


In this interview you will learn:

  • The meaning of "authentic presence" and why it is important
  • A simple practice for "coming home" to presence
  • How having a contemplative practice can benefit healthcare providers
  • How to address fears of death and suffering
  • About the "Authentic Presence" training: how it is structured; who it is for; when it is offered; how to register

Kirsten DeLeo is the lead teacher for 'Authentic Presence,’ a certificate program in contemplative-based end-of-life care. Kirsten is trained in the Hakomi mindfulness-based somatic approach to psychotherapy and has served as a counselor supporting individuals with terminal illness and their families, hospice volunteer coordinator and educator at various healthcare and academic institutions. She is the author of the forthcoming book 'Heart Advice for Accompanying the Dying' by Shambhala Publications. In this experiential session, we will explore how we can meet a dying person where they are at - while being aware of, yet not run by our fears, insecurities or feelings of unease. Kirsten will share contemplative science, hands-on experience and key practices that can enable you to stay present with others while remaining open, spacious and centered in yourself. 

(When you call to register mention that you are an EOLU subscriber)